rd #4 pine land

[shannon c]

pine land here we come. get ready for the best diehards GA and surronding areas have to offer. i can't wait to run this one. i had alot of fun racing at this track. my favorite so far out of the tracks we've been to this year in the series.

[shocktower]

2 more days fellas! im getting nervous already :eek:

[Jon Tanner]

I got the new dirt on the track for tomorrow's practice, so make sure you get here in time to check it out.

[bigsmitty]

I'll be there Friday evening after work, see yall there.

[dcb3628]

Don't Wear yourself out Jon, Don't do like I did:) But I know you have no choice. The Big Show is coming to your track.
Darren

[JP]

To late Darren!.....Jon is being humble....He has broke his rib working on the track the other day. He is in a lot of pain right now. But refuses to slow down just so we all can have a great place to race this weekend....

Jp

[Jon Tanner]

I think that there were some issues with some of the results and JP was going to have them looked at this week. I'm sure he will post them as soon as he can.

[Jon Tanner]

I dont think it was a big issue, he just wanted to check over them and make sure they were right.

[bigsmitty]

Must of been a biggie!!!!!

[R/C4life]

There was something wrong, my buddy took first in sportsman buggy by a lap, yet I think they said third is where he finished. I know it must be tough and tiresome to do all that work running the show, but that was not cool either.

[shannon c]

yea that would suck. but it was talked about in the drivers meeting that if there were lap issues we go with what the computer says. i don't know all the details but if they change anyones points or finishing position they should fix anyones position in that class. which includes me. does any one know what exactly the issue was and why? details?

[Jon Tanner]

It is being looked in to.

[R/C4life]

I do not know why myself other then it being man made it is prone to fail at time to time. did not want or mean to start trouble. All I know is it happend to a few fellas. I am sorry and will keep my nose out of things as I usualy do. I am sorry guys. I use to fly pylon and pattern plane when I was young, want a challege? pylon race at 120+mph 25-50' off the ground. Better yet follow them and flag your flier at same time while they all scream right at you before they turn pylon 2. SCARY!!

[R/C4life]

I apologize if I started anything, I'll keep my big mouth shut.:(

[shu88]

Yeah, this happened to me. A lap was not counted when I came into pit. I was leading with 4 minutes to go, come in for a splash, then the next I heard I was running fourth. It happened to some others and was talked about at the track so it really was an issue. But I do agree with tbullard there is really no way to tell what really happened to who. So really dont know whats going on.


Jimmy

[R/C4life]

That could be but how would you possibly distinguish that from a transponder issue, a flameout or even missing the loop due to a wreck. We would have defiently had this issue in the qualifers also if it existed.

I also agree with you sir, it just stinks is all. And did not mean to start trouble at all, sorry for that. Oh well next race here we come. And shannon c is correct, this was talked about, so, it just stinks is all. Marc

[shannon c]

i'm sure it affected allot of us. most of us just didn't realize it. after all the only way i know wwhat position i'm in is the computer telling me. unless i'm leading from the start. yea right.lol it is what it is. round 5 ready.......

[ChampionRC]

That could be but how would you possibly distinguish that from a transponder issue, a flameout or even missing the loop due to a wreck. We would have defiently had this issue in the qualifers also if it existed.

Not necessarily since you don't count laps going through pit lane in a qualifier.

[tbullard]

That true ;)

I wish there was a noise when you crossed the loop so that you would know for sure you were counted like at most tracks.

[Jon Tanner]

I have been told they are working on getting it resolved now.

[JP]

Sorry guys...I have been very busy and should have posted up a reply before now. As many of you know we had a major issue with counting laps entering into pit lane. The GCS and Pineland have made sure this problem will not happen again.

I have spent over 8 hours reviewing the times. In addition we have gotton several other people involved aswell as our software designer. We all have collectivly spent over 10 hours finding the accurate results. Due to the number of racers effected, we will be updating the results to show the proper finishing order.

Please be pateint us..we take this very seriuously and want to make sure we get this correct. We are currently in North Carolina at an RC Pro Event....so we hope to post the updated resutls at the begining of next week

Jp

[shu88]

I just wanted to say Thanks to JP and everyone else involved in this to try to sort it out and make it right. This shows the dedication that these guys have to making this a great series.

Thanks!

Jimmy

[srt4s]

I think this round should be thrown out as far as points go. Let everyone who got plaques keep them and reschedule the race or just make it a 6 race points series. It is going to cause a big problem in the final points on the results.

[ChampionRC]

I think this round should be thrown out as far as points go. Let everyone who got plaques keep them and reschedule the race or just make it a 6 race points series. It is going to cause a big problem in the final points on the results.

On the flip side, if you were in the running in points and you actually should have finished 1st but results say 4th, who is screwed now? I think it is professional of them to consider all the arguments (which I know they did), I mean they have gone way out of their way to make this politically correct. Having results stand, people would be mad because they know they finished better than indicated. To me, it only seems fair to actually get the points correct. I think leaving someone in 1st position that actually should have finished 4th is more wrong than correcting the results.

*My opinion and not anyone of the GCS.

[mattyfitts]

On the flip side, if you were in the running in points and you actually should have finished 1st but results say 4th, who is screwed now? I think it is professional of them to consider all the arguments (which I know they did), I mean they have gone way out of their way to make this politically correct. Having results stand, people would be mad because they know they finished better than indicated. To me, it only seems fair to actually get the points correct. I think leaving someone in 1st position that actually should have finished 4th is more wrong than correcting the results.

*My opinion and not anyone of the GCS.

I could not agree more. There is instant replay in alot of professional sports now because of human or technology error. I think it is great that these guys have taken the time to get the correct results. Keep up the good work guys.

[saracing]

I agree with alex 100 percent and thanks to jp and travis for fixin the problem

[bigsmitty]

What about the guys in the lower mains that got there bump taken away? You would have to do something for them to make it right. Possibly one of them could have bumped up and won it. I don't know how you could make it right.:confused:

[Team ck]

This is a prime example of the true nature behind the GCS today. (Its all about us racers)
Jp and Travis do so much that most people never even know or see, for those few of us that are there to see it almost on a daily basis, we all wonder how (and sometimes why)they are able to give so much back to the sport we all love.
It goes a long way to show the character of these guys, they truely give 110% in every aspect of the GCS, with no thought of what they might get from it!!!

[wedonaldson]

What about the guys who were told they were in front by a lap or so and slowed down for that reason. Maybe they should not have changed there pace but it would have been nice to know before the mains to run as hard as you can cause there is a counting problem.
Just saying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tbullard]

Its a mess. For every person who gets bumped down :poo: there is someone who gets bumped up :D. We are depending on a review of the results which involves guessing and speculation :confused:. To bad nobody has a video of the mains.

[Outkast187]

I say...lets just redo it. :)

[wedonaldson]

what sux is when you kill a set of 50.00 tires just for the main and running 1st and traveled 2.5 hrs one way and find out later you should have not let off.

[tbullard]

The best part is coming home smiling from ear to ear telling everybody about your first place finish at the big race over the weekend then looking like an idiot when you have to turn your trophy back in. Worst part is this was a known issue the night of the race and I didn't know about it until almost a week later.

[ChampionRC]

The best part is coming home smiling from ear to ear telling everybody about your first place finish at the big race over the weekend then looking like an idiot when you have to turn your trophy back in. Worst part is this was a known issue the night of the race and I didn't know about it until almost a week later.

Everyone is speculating on what the results are, so hang tight and I think it will all work out. As far as I know they didn't realize the error until after the A-main Pro Buggy, so I would give everyone a break, it was late, people were tired and confused. If I am not mistaken, I even think it affected JP's standing negatively, but not 100% sure.

[shannon c]

i saw people arguing there position early in the day.

there is no way you can tell exactly110% where everyone finished for every main by going over the lap times. or how many had the problem. and then you bring up the lower mains that affect who is even in the a main. the only fair thing to do is dq the round with 0 points for all or redo the round. this is the only fair options .

i f the positions are changed andpoints awarded i will think twice about finishing the searies. theres no way that wouold be fair.i'm not spending the money i'm spending and traveling all over to race in a searies that can't see whats fair.

[R/C4life]

I feel bad for JP and Travis and all those who work hard and Jon Tanner because it is his first gsc hosted race and ends up like this. Chin up guys it is only a hobby and I will support you all in whatever your decision myself.

[Outkast187]

I would love to redo it. Not because I am upset of the results or anything, but I enjoyed the racing. I had fun, and if there is a redo, I will be there. I will be there for the next race also. Stuff happens, Im not sweating the results one way or another.

[ChampionRC]

I feel bad for JP and Travis and all those who work hard and Jon Tanner because it is his first gsc hosted race and ends up like this. Chin up guys it is only a hobby and I will support you all in whatever your decision myself.

+1...!

[tbullard]

This effects every single racer from the winner of the Pro A down to last place of the Sportsman C. There is no way you can convince me that you can 100% fix the results based on lap times I don't care how many hours you study them. There are just to many factors.

The safe bet is to simply say the results are inconclusive and drop the race from the points. Sure some people will be pissed but your guaranteed the points won't get screwed up.

[bigsmitty]

This effects every single racer from the winner of the Pro A down to last place of the Sportsman C. There is no way you can convince me that you can 100% fix the results based on lap times I don't care how many hours you study them. There are just to many factors.

The safe bet is to simply say the results are inconclusive and drop the race from the points. Sure some people will be pissed but your guaranteed the points won't get screwed up.

+1....!

[hammer352]

i think rerunning the race is a good idea , not that i give a crap about the points, i just want to race and have fun so I'm all for redoing it only if its done at pine-land. :moonya:

[C2 Motorsports]

If the mains are what is in question then award points based on qualifying. We ran three rounds so you should have been about where you would have been in the main. If it had rained out the mains then the positions and points would have been based on qualifying, seems like the same sort of thing to me, forget the mains and give points based on qualifying. JMO

[hammer352]

If the mains are what is in question then award points based on qualifying. We ran three rounds so you should have been about where you would have been in the main. If it had rained out the mains then the positions and points would have been based on qualifying, seems like the same sort of thing to me, forget the mains and give points based on qualifying. JMO

this sounds good also or are the qualifiers in question also?:moonya:

[shu88]

Yeah, that would not be very fair to the people that qualified badly and had to bump there way up. I know I had a bad day, and it didnt come together till the mains. And what about the people that qualified well but broke? Then you are rewarding them. Just doesnt sound fair to me....but I am not sure how to fix this to make everyone happy. No matter what the GCS guys do, someone will be upset. Just a bad situation all the way around.

Jimmy

[saracing]

true that

[R/C4life]

Yeah, that would not be very fair to the people that qualified badly and had to bump there way up. I know I had a bad day, and it didnt come together till the mains. And what about the people that qualified well but broke? Then you are rewarding them. Just doesnt sound fair to me....but I am not sure how to fix this to make everyone happy. No matter what the GCS guys do, someone will be upset. Just a bad situation all the way around.

Jimmy

Dido!

[JP]

Travis and I just got in from being out of town all weekend. Here it is guys…..

This is a very difficult situation for us. You guys are right…unfortunately someone is going to be upset no matter what we do. That being said, I had rather someone be upset at us for doing the “right thing” than doing nothing to fix an issue that we know for certain is incorrect. Heading into our review of the results we felt that there was one main criteria. We must have confidence that the “new” results would be more accurate than the originals. We have results that are very accurate and will reflect the actual finishing positions. I have sent these results to a 5th person for review and should have his opinion tomorrow. We will be releasing the updated results soon.

Moving forward….

Steps have been taken to ensure that this issue will never happen at another GCS event. We appreciate everyone’s respectful feedback. Being a avid racer myself, I understand the work, effort, and money that goes into to R/C racing. For this reason is why we take our actions so seriously to correct this issue and bring it to its best possible outcome. And for this we sincerely apologize.
Jp

[R/C4life]

Travis and I just got in from being out of town all weekend. Here it is guys…..

This is a very difficult situation for us. You guys are right…unfortunately someone is going to be upset no matter what we do. That being said, I had rather someone be upset at us for doing the “right thing” than doing nothing to fix an issue that we know for certain is incorrect. Heading into our review of the results we felt that there was one main criteria. We must have confidence that the “new” results would be more accurate than the originals. We have results that are very accurate and will reflect the actual finishing positions. I have sent these results to a 5th person for review and should have his opinion tomorrow. We will be releasing the updated results soon.

Moving forward….

Steps have been taken to ensure that this issue will never happen at another GCS event. We appreciate everyone’s respectful feedback. Being a avid racer myself, I understand the work, effort, and money that goes into to R/C racing. For this reason is why we take our actions so seriously to correct this issue and bring it to its best possible outcome. And for this we sincerely apologize.
Jp

Hats off to you guys! Your efforts are greatly appreciated by myself atleast. Thank you guys for all your hard work!

[saracing]

I agree and btw good job in NC JP and Travis

[bigsmitty]

We appreciate the hard work JP and wanting to get it as accurate as possible. See yall at the next round.:mapit:

[Travis Dupree]

From the outside looking in and from the race director side...

It is very possible to review the sheets for the times and make adjustments. JP and Travis are doing the right thing by reviewing all the times and making the adjustments.

[tbullard]

Results are posted!

http://georgiachampionshipseries.com/results/event.php?categoryID=13