Alabama state series

[mattperry]

:bigsmile:i would really like to see someone (alan burton promoter/organizer extrordinare) try to organize an off-road series in alabama.

[ZIXXER]

:bigsmile:i would really like to see someone (alan burton promoter/organizer extrordinare) try to organize an off-road series in alabama.

we had the alabama border wars (non sanctioned) for 2 years ...the first year was very promising ...the 2nd year dropped off dramatically ....the reason i was given for not having the rcpro series do it was that the track owners wouldnt get as much dollars ...i would like to see it as well

[ChampionRC]

we had the alabama border wars (non sanctioned) for 2 years ...the first year was very promising ...the 2nd year dropped off dramatically ....the reason i was given for not having the rcpro series do it was that the track owners wouldnt get as much dollars ...i would like to see it as well

ABRL...how does that sound? Kind of like the JBRL on the west coast.

[ZIXXER]

ABRL...how does that sound? Kind of like the JBRL on the west coast.

:lol-floor::lol-floor::lol-floor::lol-floor::lol-floor::lol-floor::lol-floor::lol-floor:

[LAThunder]

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[mattperry]

i think 6 tracks geographically located so drive time would be fair for all and 1 drop.

this is just me thinking outloud. no specific order just throwing it out there. some would be interested some not i know i left out a few, just off the top of my head.

la thunder
t'bird -no brainer great facility from what i remember
phenix city - new facility
shallot patch, - i know danny can hold 100 entries. (rental lights danny)
shelby county -duh no brainer
i wanna say maplesville but bradley has a tough personal schedule.

so much for geographically located............lol.
single saturday event, with open practice on friday.? not sure how operators feel about a sunday show?

come on alan i know you want too.:football: lol

[lowlife88]

Matts right, we've got alot of really good tracks around we need a series race. Count me in :D

[ZIXXER]

i mentioned to burton what you said matt ..he said hes got some great ideas for a series ...but it prolly dont involve track owners gettin rich ...but making it great for the racers :nanabooboo::easy:

[ABURTON]

I would be more than willing as everything promotion wise is about throught with the Alabama Manf Shootout, meaning that we just have a few more sponsors to talk with and then it's just kinda kepping things going.

However, In my theory for great racing does not involve any one track or tracks getting the bulk of the money of each series race. Yes I know that without tracks racers would not have places to race, but without racers a track is worthless.

The Alabama Border wars series worked great the first year and then just died flat on the second. I feel the main reason was the racers got nothing in the end of the series. Look at it like this and from a racer stand point....

the majority of racer is going to spend $100(local) up to $400(travel track) for a series on travel, food, entry, gas money, etc. Then you got approx. $$150-$200 each race for supplies, tires, fuel, and so on(average number). So with the Border Wars we had several races and guys spent upwards of $1500-$2000 to support the entire series and race for points.

The winner in the two years of pro buggy walked away with $150 at the series end.

I'm not sure 100% on what tracks got but it was set up that the tracks got the bulk of the money and were paid several hundred or more after each race was over. The "buy in" is what went into the racer pot to pay at years end.

In the end it did not benefit your racers to engage in a 6 race series to only get to run with average crowds and get little for supporting it for the duration.

It's my opinion after 17 years that racers are only going to support something that they feel like is a fair split. Why would they keep giving and giving to support a average place while the track takes and takes? On the other hand the track takes and takes but offers a great place, well taken care of and large crowds then racers see the money is going to offer a great place. These are generally the places you see large crowds local and coming in from other states.

I'm well aware that it takes money to operate a track. I just think there are better ways to go about it and be fair for all.

So...

[ABURTON]

So I have my ideas. I feel like a series needs to be either short and sweet, or a few races spread out over a long period of time. Spread out offers the chance to get things organized, get some sponsors, allow the racers a chance to do some other local races, travel events, etc without being tied into the series.

Short and sweet, like a "summer series" can be ran over the summer and be in between regional events.

I think you should keep a fair entry fee, and put the bulk of each entry from each class into a account. This way at series end you have a total on how much was brough in from each class and how much is available from each class to go back to the racers.

The track/tracks would also get to keep a certain amount from each entry for hosting the event.

For example: Entry fee for each series event is $30(just a number). The racer account would get $18, while the host track for that certain event got $12 per entry.

So just say round #1 had 75 entries...thats's $1350 for racer payout account, and $900 for track to be paid after the race event. That's $900 for a practice day and a race day. More than your going to get off any regular club event.

Say you start at the first of March and have the final at the first of december, you could really spread them out and allow the racers freedom.

You have 7 races(6 and a final) each putting about $1300 in the racers account(at estimated numbers above). You come out with over $9000 in cash or prizes to give back to your racers/classes!

That's something for a racer to shoot for and gives the track more than what would ever be drawn on a regular one day event.

Just in theory if you had 6 events spread over the entire race season and a final in december

[ABURTON]

Not real sure what classes but I think it would work best to have the following:

Pro, open, sportsman buggy and truggy. This gives a wider range of racers a chance at prizes in the end and draws larger entries.

You also have a shortcourse class as well.

So you have 7 classes and close to $10k in cash or prizes to give the racers split up depending on entries(of each class) for each class.

Personally I would try to balance it more to get $15k in that racer account and give a track $400-$500 for the day.

Track owners don't have to make all the money on one race. they will surely have plenty more local and larger club races to make that track run by years end.

I don't think we will find 6 tracks that are gonna think like this....

The last track that was like this was Nitro Fever and the city closed it down. I think my ideas stand proven because for 5 races we averaged 100 racers before the shut down.

[mattperry]

so...........whats your point? gonna try it or what?

[ABURTON]

so...........whats your point? gonna try it or what?

I can't do anything without several other tracks who will all agree with my plans. I may be willing to do it, but I'm not just gonna waste my time.

So if we get 6 tracks to agree to my ideas then I'll be willing to research dates and plan that out, do the promotion, layouts, race structure/plan, and talk with sponsors.

The host track will be responsible for providing the track and running the event.

I can't promise lots of sponsors with a small regional series but even so the plan is to support the racers with some of the entry money and have significant prizes at series ends.

any track interested can send a email to alanburton20@gmail.com

I am all about good racing wiht healthy crowds in Alabama;)

[Jarvis]

Questions:
1. What tracks will agree to these terms? 60% to racers account per class and 40% to the track per class.
2. Who is going to keep track of the money and bank accounts?
3. Short series or year long? (Little payout vs Big payout)
4. Who is going to keep track of the points?
5. How will the electric buggies and truggies play into this?
6. Will the points races have the same race format regardless of track?

Comments:
I would like to see this happen. Six to eight races spread out with one drop sounds good to me. I would like to see some of the north Alabama tracks involved also. So, I guess the ball is in the track owners court to accept a pay cut for one or two schedule races.

[ZIXXER]

Questions:
1. What tracks will agree to these terms? 60% to racers account per class and 40% to the track per class.
2. Who is going to keep track of the money and bank accounts?
3. Short series or year long? (Little payout vs Big payout)
4. Who is going to keep track of the points?
5. How will the electric buggies and truggies play into this?
6. Will the points races have the same race format regardless of track?

Comments:
I would like to see this happen. Six to eight races spread out with one drop sounds good to me. I would like to see some of the north Alabama tracks involved also. So, I guess the ball is in the track owners court to accept a pay cut for one or two schedule races.

just my opinion ..i also would love to see a points series ..the hard part will be getting track owners to agree to terms ..i hope it works out ....would be great :cool:

[LAThunder]

Questions:
1. What tracks will agree to these terms? 60% to racers account per class and 40% to the track per class.
2. Who is going to keep track of the money and bank accounts?
3. Short series or year long? (Little payout vs Big payout)
4. Who is going to keep track of the points?
5. How will the electric buggies and truggies play into this?
6. Will the points races have the same race format regardless of track?

Comments:
I would like to see this happen. Six to eight races spread out with one drop sounds good to me. I would like to see some of the north Alabama tracks involved also. So, I guess the ball is in the track owners court to accept a pay cut for one or two schedule races.

COUNT LA THUNDER IN.
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[mattperry]

donnie be out in a few, havent finished my coffee yet.:guzzleit::guzzleit:

[mattperry]

alex these smileys are a riot.

[ChampionRC]

Questions:
1. What tracks will agree to these terms? 60% to racers account per class and 40% to the track per class.
2. Who is going to keep track of the money and bank accounts?
3. Short series or year long? (Little payout vs Big payout)
4. Who is going to keep track of the points?
5. How will the electric buggies and truggies play into this?
6. Will the points races have the same race format regardless of track?

Comments:
I would like to see this happen. Six to eight races spread out with one drop sounds good to me. I would like to see some of the north Alabama tracks involved also. So, I guess the ball is in the track owners court to accept a pay cut for one or two schedule races.

Georgia has the GCS Series, same type of format. History shows, dealing with the tracks and schedules are the main hurdles. Everything is fairly straight forward. http://www.georgiachampionshipseries.com. The schedule is set.

*JP, I noticed the tracks main page needs an adjustment.

[Jarvis]

just my opinion ..i also would love to see a points series ..the hard part will be getting track owners to agree to terms ..i hope it works out ....would be great :cool:

Yeah, that is the major hurdle Zixxer, but I bet that 40% will be more than some (if not all) of their club races.

[Jarvis]

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Well that is one track lets get five more! LAThunder thanks for stepping up.

[bigbad1ton]

The money is would not be an issue unless I had to get some big lights in for night.

Also I am way new to this track thing (less than 6 months) and aburtons coment of "The host track will be responsible for providing the track and running the event." wouldn't work for me, I would not be comfortable with that many racers. I don't mind providing the track and support for the race I just can't run it yet.

oh and due to ground conditions Nitro Extreme would have to be mid summer cause it's a swamp right now with all this rain.

OK, thats my concerns.

[ChampionRC]

The money is would not be an issue unless I had to get some big lights in for night.

Also I am way new to this track thing (less than 6 months) and aburtons coment of "The host track will be responsible for providing the track and running the event." wouldn't work for me, I would not be comfortable with that many racers. I don't mind providing the track and support for the race I just can't run it yet.

oh and due to ground conditions Nitro Extreme would have to be mid summer cause it's a swamp right now with all this rain.

OK, thats my concerns.

IMO, this is why the RC Pro Series and GCS (not sure about JBRL) come in with their own equipment. Because it is designed to allow a track owner to benefit from having a good turnout with exposure to the track while having a smooth running race. Before GCS had their own timing and scoring, they had to deal with delays and idiosyncrasies of figuring out each track system, etc...I think to have a series like I think everyone would want, it would need to be run that way. An outfit in charge of making sure each and every race meets a certain standard of operating.

[ZIXXER]

COUNT LA THUNDER IN.
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hopefully other track owners will follow yalls lead ....

Yeah, that is the major hurdle Zixxer, but I bet that 40% will be more than some (if not all) of their club races.

i hope they can get over it ....i know beginning of last year there were TOO MANY TRACK ....only to find th end of the year there were NOT ENOUGH TRACKS ......leaving local racers wondering where they will race this year ...i had planned to make 5 BIG RACES...and just let the club racing fall where it did ....also you will have the problem of alot of people only wanting to race at there HOME track ....never did understand that theory from a racers stand point ....maybe joe horton and bradley will wanna get in ...we could do it like the first year of the border wars series ....race each track twice ...then a big final ...you allready got donnie that wants in ...convince 2 more tracks and becomes more possible :workingaway::workingaway::workingaway::workingawa y:

[WANARUN]

i hope they can get over it ....i know beginning of last year there were TOO MANY TRACK ....only to find th end of the year there were NOT ENOUGH TRACKS ...

Isn't there gonna be 4 tracks around B'ham again, Not counting The Terrace row? T-bird, Max, Joe's, and The pit?

[ZIXXER]

Isn't there gonna be 4 tracks around B'ham again, Not counting The Terrace row? T-bird, Max, Joe's, and The pit?

tbird has said they wanna race 3-5 big races ...

only for sure tracks with schedules are
shelby co
snake pit
terrace row (no schedule yet )
madmaxx
onion patch (no schedule prolly will throw up races as they go)
sharc

im sure im missing some body ....not sure if dan is even interested in a point series with other tracks around ???????

[WANARUN]

ALMOST, just almost went to Florence today to the race. But then I got a call back on a price offer on a motorcycle so I'm the owner proud owner of a Kawasaki Vulcan now.:hangGlider:

[ZIXXER]

ALMOST, just almost went to Florence today to the race. But then I got a call back on a price offer on a motorcycle so I'm the owner proud owner of a Kawasaki Vulcan now.:hangGlider:


my man ..thats awesome

[reddishdsb]

I think we need to run an Alabama series then at the end we hvae a shootout with the top three in each class against the top three in each class from the Ga. series so we can show them Ga. boys who the fast guys are!:nanabooboo:

[ZIXXER]

I think we need to run an Alabama series then at the end we hvae a shootout with the top three in each class against the top three in each class from the Ga. series so we can show them Ga. boys who the fast guys are!:nanabooboo:

ok so is the onion patch in :confused:.. :D that is a good idea ...but that might just be harder than getting an al point series together :thinkhard:

[reddishdsb]

The "Patch" would be in. :cool:

[ChampionRC]

I think we need to run an Alabama series then at the end we hvae a shootout with the top three in each class against the top three in each class from the Ga. series so we can show them Ga. boys who the fast guys are!:nanabooboo:

Thems fightn words. :D:raceme:

Sounds fun. Actually, I had an idea last year that might be interesting but has some logistical hurdles...a Southeast Series between all the states listed here. The issue is getting NC guys to travel to AL and vice versus. I think going outside of a 6 hour drive is a bit troublesome for most people. I know 6 is my threshold these days for a medium-small race.

[reddishdsb]

Of course I would NOT be one of the FAST guys I was talking about!:o

[reddishdsb]

Well did we kill this thread?:rolleyes:

[Jarvis]

I guess we couldn't get any tracks to commit.

:feezee:

[jared52]

Someone is going to have to take this on and put all the rules and stuff in place and present it to the tracks individually. I don't think tracks finding this thread and then committing to something that's not really been planned out fully is reasonable. What needs to be determined first is who will be "in charge", be it an individual or a group.

[bigbad1ton]

someone is going to have to take this on and put all the rules and stuff in place and present it to the tracks individually. I don't think tracks finding this thread and then committing to something that's not really been planned out fully is reasonable. What needs to be determined first is who will be "in charge", be it an individual or a group.

ditto

[Nitro Seales]

Having a group of people over a series will never work in my opinion. Then you get the problem of too many chiefs and not enough indians....lol

I say we need to start out small and grow from there. I highly doubt that all the good state series around us got as good as they are in one year.

Again this is just my $.02 and I have been wrong before, but I think it needs to be track owners/managers that run the series and those particular people (track owners/managers) need to be the decission makers. Keeping in mind that racers thoughts and suggestions should always be considered because after all they are the only reason we race!

Oh BTW.......well just stay tuned you will find out soon enough!:hamster::D

[burnettk]

Having a group of people over a series will never work in my opinion. Then you get the problem of too many chiefs and not enough indians....lol

I say we need to start out small and grow from there. I highly doubt that all the good state series around us got as good as they are in one year.

Again this is just my $.02 and I have been wrong before, but I think it needs to be track owners/managers that run the series and those particular people (track owners/managers) need to be the decission makers. Keeping in mind that racers thoughts and suggestions should always be considered because after all they are the only reason we race!

Oh BTW.......well just stay tuned you will find out soon enough!:hamster::D

:atenhut::workingaway: sounds good to me!!!!

[jared52]

Having a group of people over a series will never work in my opinion. Then you get the problem of too many chiefs and not enough indians....lol

I say we need to start out small and grow from there. I highly doubt that all the good state series around us got as good as they are in one year.

Again this is just my $.02 and I have been wrong before, but I think it needs to be track owners/managers that run the series and those particular people (track owners/managers) need to be the decission makers. Keeping in mind that racers thoughts and suggestions should always be considered because after all they are the only reason we race!

Oh BTW.......well just stay tuned you will find out soon enough!:hamster::D

I'm confused. You don't think it would be a good idea to have a group of people runnin the series but you say a group of track owners/managers should run the series?

Maybe my tiny mind missed something. :D

[Nitro Seales]

I'm confused. You don't think it would be a good idea to have a group of people runnin the series but you say a group of track owners/managers should run the series?

Maybe my tiny mind missed something. :D

Yeah maybe that was a little confusing...sorry!

What I am saying is. I think the only people that should be the final decision maker should be the track owners. In my experience it just never works out if you have 5 or 6 people trying to make a mojor decission. It will end up with 3 being mad at the other 2 or 3 and so on. All track owners who's tracks are involved make the rules and regulations of the series and should work together on everything and all take an othe to inforce these rules no matter who it is!...Even Themselves!!

I guess what I'm saying is, the series should be ran by the track owners and not some outside group or single person. I think that will end bad and I would deffinately like to see this series thing take off and be a success!

There may be other opinions as well and everyone is entitled to one so lets hear em!!!:)

[jared52]

Yeah maybe that was a little confusing...sorry!

What I am saying is. I think the only people that should be the final decision maker should be the track owners. In my experience it just never works out if you have 5 or 6 people trying to make a mojor decission. It will end up with 3 being mad at the other 2 or 3 and so on. All track owners who's tracks are involved make the rules and regulations of the series and should work together on everything and all take an othe to inforce these rules no matter who it is!...Even Themselves!!

I guess what I'm saying is, the series should be ran by the track owners and not some outside group or single person. I think that will end bad and I would deffinately like to see this series thing take off and be a success!

There may be other opinions as well and everyone is entitled to one so lets hear em!!!:)

I completely agree with your solution, but I'm a drop in the ocean here.

[ZIXXER]

ive heard a rumor of a 3 track series in alabama :hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm:

[Nitro Seales]

I completely agree with your solution, but I'm a drop in the ocean here.

A drop in the ocean still makes a ripple...;)

[mattperry]

damn bradley i thought your were buried in pre-marital bliss. lmao. dont worry its short lived. she's smiling for a reason and it aint got nothing to do with anything you got, lol .

I STRONGLY AGREE WITH WEDDING BOY, i think if the track owners agree on a set rules package and on race format the series can be a great way to keep all the tracks in alabama going and racer participation will steadily grow.

all that edumacation and you still cant spell. MOJOR

[burnettk]

A drop in the ocean still makes a ripple...;)

thats a nice peace of philosphy. are you sure that i dont live with an ethics major instead of an engineer? sounds like all the drops agree with you. (the ocean) lol

[mattperry]

lol.

[Nitro Seales]

Matt, I'm leaving all the wedding stuff up to her! And hey I will always be able to spell better than Kendall!...LOL

How has everything been going with you? How you liking the new house?

[burnettk]

Matt, I'm leaving all the wedding stuff up to her! And hey I will always be able to spell better than Kendall!...LOL

How has everything been going with you? How you liking the new house?

dont guess i can argue the fact that i cant spell. after all i am from Maplesville and going to Auburn. nobody expects me to be able to spell. lol

[cmatherson]

Amen to that!

[mattperry]

things are good getting swamped daily with team stuff, the house is awesome. not too many 37yr olds get to build there dream home with enough life left to enjoy it. (and maintain it)!!!

congrats on the wedding, your better off to just nod and say "looks great honey!" and smile gotta smile... i never smiled so i made it harder than it needed to be.lol.

still cant figure out why anyone in there right mind would do those napkins with the wedding announcement? like everyone didnt know why they were there and who was getting married.??? go figure .lol

YOU ARE COMING TO BAMA JAMA RIGHT!!!!???

[Nitro Seales]

Yeah that's the plan! Wanting to come really bad but I will have to make the final call the week of.


+1000 on the napkins...oh and wedding teasers...I'm mean really! What is a wedding teaser?

[mattperry]

just nod and say "wow... thats neat...aw thats really pretty" it will be over soon.lol

[jared52]

just nod and say "wow... thats neat...aw thats really pretty" it will be over soon.lol

And she will be thinking the same thing later that evening. :D

[mattperry]

BOOM!! THUMP!! DAMN!!, that was me ROFLMAO. OH WOW. I WASNT GOING THERE!!!!!

[Nitro Seales]

Dang! That was pretty good Jared!

Well I will practice your advice Matt and I hope to see you on the 19th!

Hey are yall still needing a Morgan Fuels dealer in Central AL?

[mattperry]

i think your account is still valid. call susan in the office she can tell you what you need to know.

[PHANTOM]

Hey are yall still needing a Morgan Fuels dealer in Central AL?[/QUOTE]


Bradly are you still gonna be selling Bryons fuel

[mattperry]

yeah bradley.lol

dude try the purple, come to bama jama and i'll give you a taste of the REAL KOOLAID.!

[PHANTOM]

yeah bradley.lol

dude try the purple, come to bama jama and i'll give you a taste of the REAL KOOLAID.!

Been with Byrons sometime now hard to switch Ive had great results from Byons. Last season got 10 min. in Bug. and Trug. easy. Talked to Horton about fuel Sat. at the track I know Joe and Porter swear by it.

Are you saying your give me a free Gal. to try:);)

[Nitro Seales]

Yeah Jeff will still be selling Byrons!

Just wanted to have available whatever the racers needed sence there are several running Sidewinder now! Just trying to look out for everybody!

Sidwinder is some great fuel btw but so is Byrons!

6 of one half a dozen of the other... You know the song!

Would like to try some of that purple stuff though!

[mattperry]

come see me at bama-o-rama, i might have some i can spare.

[jared52]

Ok, so is this idea dead? I still think a 5 track series would be a success and get a pretty good turnout.

[LAThunder]

LA Thunder has already said we would host a race.

[ABURTON]

turnouts have been very low across the board with racer support. I'm just not sure at the time this would be worth all the hard work involved.

I have been brain storming on what our area needs to really jump start good healthy racing...

who knows...

[slowtruggy]

i think the tracks need to start working together and stop puting races when they know there is a race the same weekend. i like to race but i can only go every other week and it seems like the weeks i want to go race all it is is a money race and im not going to waste my money going to a money race when im running for last place and it cost me that much money to race it i will just stay home. its nice seeing the money races for your self or justin c. or arin.c but i would rather run a points series something that everyone is running for . thats just how i feel!:dizzy:

[xeonrage]

i think the tracks need to start working together and stop puting races when they know there is a race the same weekend. i like to race but i can only go every other week and it seems like the weeks i want to go race all it is is a money race and im not going to waste my money going to a money race when im running for last place and it cost me that much money to race it i will just stay home. its nice seeing the money races for your self or justin c. or arin.c but i would rather run a points series something that everyone is running for . thats just how i feel!:dizzy:

georgia's got the same problem, everyone stepping on eachother's toes. Sort of have to sometimes.. still a little working together is for their own good